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you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me today. president trump, there he is, will fist bump, shaking hands there in texas. just arrived at the south border town of mcallen. today is day 20. the shutdown talks over the president's push for $5 billion to pay for a wall or steel barrier along mexico is going nowhere. plus the president admits he thinks this trip will not change to quote him, a damn thing. worst of all, hundreds of thousands of federal workers will not get paid tomorrow and when tomorrow ends, it will mark the moment when this shutdown has become the longest in u.s. history. now, one possible exit strategy here for the president declaring a national emergency. the president said today and quoting him, i probably will do
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it, maybe definitely. sounds like a definite maybe, just in case, though, he has brought his white house lawyers with him on board air force one. and remember who's going to build the wall, mexico. that is how trumped revved up crowds both during and after the campaign, but today came this. >> mexico is paying for the wall indirectly and when i said mexico will pay for the wall, in front of thousands and thousands of people, obviously they're not going to write a check but they're paying for the wall indirectly -- >> obviously he says. quick fact check here, the president says his trade deal with mexico will pay for it, but the problem is, the new trade deal hasn't yet been ratified by congress and even if it does, none of the money is earmarked for this wall. on top of this, the coast guard advising its employees to hold a garage sale, go baby-sit to make
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ends meet. all the while leaders in washington both sides are arguing over temper tantrums and slammed fists to which 20 days in they're saying bye-bye to any deal. let's go straight to the border where president trump is live for us and polo sandoval tell us about the president's plans and how people there are receiving him. >> reporter: brooke, i think what the president will get to see in the next few hours will be just as important as what the president will actually hear from those who have been selected to join him at a roundtable which is where he's headed right now. it's going to be extremely crucial, obviously you can hear from as many people as he can. these are people that have been selected and invited to attend this event in a few hours at a border patrol location not far from where he landed. i say that because spending some time here and hearing from some of the stakeholders from
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mcallen's mayor and also from catholic sister who's been a big humanitarian in the efforts to take care of many people that have been apprehended and released and there is a lot of disagreement about the border communities, that the president is described. we heard it again just yesterday and over and over again, this rhetoric coming from the president describing some communities like this one as a place that has been struggling as he describes it, resulting violence from illegal immigration, but when you hear from people here and they say the crisis, the real crisis is thousands of miles south of here in the countries of origin for these men, women and children who have been pushed by violence to the area here and then you here from the sister who says this is a humanitarian crisis that needs more assistance in dealing with the flow of people. i think that that is going to be crucial now that the president has arrived here. obviously for the president optics matter and him being on the border as he's stuck in this back and forth with democrats
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back in washington for his base, it could be a positive image but at the same time when you talk to the people who are in the middle of it all and in this case in the major city that's in the middlest busiest border patrol center in terms of apprehension, when you talk to them they say that what they see, what they live every day doesn't necessarily mirror what they have heard from the white house but as we saw in the pictures on the tarmac, it doesn't necessarily mean that the president does not have support in what is a predominantly blue part in a large red state. >> sure. we've got eyes on the president. will roll with him for the next few hours. so behind the scenes there's obviously this last minute push from a group of senators eager to find a way to end this whole thing. republican senator lindsey graham pulling together a group of more moderate colleagues on the senate side talking about ways to restart negotiations, center graham's brainstorming session also attended by a very prominent trump white house insider, the president's
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son-in-law, jared kushner. so let's go to our congressional correspondent phil mattingly and, phil, take us behind the scenes and tell me what sweeteners, what last minute deals might these republicans be offering to democrats? >> reporter: i think in an ocean of nothingness which is essentially where we are right now, a ripple of something is something worth paying attention to. that said it's being described to me by people involved in it as a hail mary pass at best. things are fluid right now. the group met with mitch mcconnell a couple hours ago and met with vice president mike pence, the outlines of things are trading temporary protections for daca recipients plus $800 million in humanitarian aid in exchange for the wall money request that the president has said. that temporary daca deferral would be about three years. it wouldn't be something that would be done overnight or over the course of the next couple of days. they would try and open the government for a month and two
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and try and work through regular order in the senate. what we're hearing right now more than anything else is that democrats are not keen on this deal. what matters more than anything else when you talk about immigration is just the lack of trust. the lack of trust based on the immigration debate we saw implode last year, the lack of trust with the white house about immigration just generally and so as long as no democrats are in the room, this is a pretty tough sell, but keep an eye on the administration, keep an eye on people like jared kushner, if they start to get behind this and start to try and make it a thing, perhaps it has legs. right now, still in the skeletal form and in the long shot phase at this point. >> a ripple in the ocean of nothingness so says phil mattingly, phil, thank you very much. we'll stay in touch with you. let's talk about all of this. jeanne mo joining me now is z-blogloria b. politically speaking, if trump,
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you know, goes this way, do you think this is his only real potential exit ramp? >> well, it's obviously one that they think might work for them inside the white house. it's very complicated. first of all, you have to make the case that there is actually a national emergency. that's why we've heard them use the word crisis so much over the last couple of days. it would a way for the white house to essentially shove this aside politically and say, look, i did my best, congress just wouldn't cooperate with me and reopen the government and then it would, however, you know, the practical implication would be that it would be tied up in the courts possibly for years. >> so if it were to work for republicans, it kind of also works for democrats, too, right, because they can say we didn't give him any money? >> right, right. it does, but the problem is, you know, there's the short-term and the long-term and lots of times congress thinks in the short-term when it should think in the long-term, it does set a
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precedent for going around congress and so while members of congress might be able to say, okay, this gets it off our backs also, the truth of the matter is that it would set a precedent that a president who didn't like what congress is doing could just declare a national emergency when he or she wanted to and go around congress which is probably a pretty bad way to do things. i know this has been done before. it's often done with hurricanes, for example, but this is a little bit more complicated. >> sure. and just quickly following up, if he were to declare a national emergency, does that then mean he would quickly reopen the government, is that a given? >> i think that's probably a given, you know. maybe you ought to ask the legal brains about that. i think that would be -- i think that would be the result you declare it, you declare it an emergency and then the government reopens and then the question of the wall remains, yeah. >> okay. let's talk about when we heard
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from the president this morning as he was about to leave to texas and he made this comparison about his -- the democratic leaders chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. watch. >> i find china frankly in many ways to be far more honorable than crying chuck and nancy. i really do. i think that china is actually much easier to deal with than the opposition party. >> china, gloria, seriously? >> more honorable? i think what she is done is -- he understands how to flatter donald trump and therefore since donald trump is being flattered, he thinks that his opponents in child are more honorable and you know from watching nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, they are not flattering donald trump, not in the least. they're engaged in name calling back and forth and, you know, trump -- trump doesn't like it and it has a very hard time dealing with them because when
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he walks out of a room they don't fold, so i think that he responds to flattery and he's not getting it. >> and then just lastly, we played the sound byte a second ago of trump talking about obviously mexico's not going to write a check to pay for the wall. trying to back pedal from what he said on the trail. they're not going to write a check. >> he's trying to reverse engineer everything he said in the campaign, i'm sorry. he said -- how many times did you hear it, brooke, we're going to build a big beautiful wall and they're going to -- who's going to pay for it? mexico's going to pay for it. >> yes. >> whether he meant they were going to write a check or whether he meant some other way, that was the clear message that he was sending and so now as he tries to reverse engineer what he said, it's quite difficult saying, okay, it's going to come through this trade agreement. it isn't going to come through the trade agreement and, you know, i think they ought to get
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off of that because i think people understand that, that the american taxpayers are going to foot the bill. >> uh-hum. gloria borger, thank you very much. gloria on the politics. we'll talk legal in a second. here's what's happening right now. anger is growing over this government shutdown. protests have erupted nationwide as hundreds of thousands of federal workers are about to miss their first paycheck as of tomorrow. will have a live report on that ahead and breaking news. cnn is learning that robert mueller's team has questioned a trump campaign pollster. why that could be significant to the larger russia investigation? you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections,
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robert mueller's team has questioned this man, the trump campaign pollster by the name of tony febritzio. this news comes across as we're learning that trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort shared internal campaign data with the suspected russian operative intended for two ukrainian oligarchs. let's talk all of this over. michael zeldin is with me and carrie cordaro is also with us. so good to have both of you guys on. michael, just starting with you, this -- why would mueller want to talk to this man? >> in follow-up to the information that manafort shared
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internal polling data with foreign nationals, they would want to know whether or not those foreign nationals then in turn coordinated with the trump campaign on ad buys or anything else. that coordination between the trump organization and foreign nationals is strictly prohibited by the anticoordination laws and could give rise to a criminal conspiracy to interfere with the federal election commissions honest and integrity sort of work. it's important for two criminal purposes not to mention just what the hell is going on there. >> manafort shared this campaign polling data with this russian with ties to the kremlin, it wasn't necessarily illegal but maybe it was -- that might have made it more nefarious and illegal. >> exactly.
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if they are coordinating, once they got it, if they're coordinating, then it's a problem. >> carrie, what's your read especially in the wake of the manafort news? >> it goes to the central purpose of what the special counsel investigation is, which is whether or not there was actual coordination what we sometimes call collusion but coordination with the trump campaign and the russian government or russian government surrogate. this is an additional piece of information that we've learned that the campaign chairman was giving polling data, what sort of the surrounding context of that was there information that he provided that then the recipients were doing something with that information? for example, were they helping to fund something related to the campaign, did they use it to effect their influence efforts against other candidates and in favor of the trump campaign? is there some way that data was used to actually buy ads or
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influence the domestic political conversation here in the united states. it goes to a central part of the connections between the campaign and russian government surrogates. >> michael, what about what the president said today about how he refused to say whether the mueller report should be made public? if everyone is innocent, why wouldn't he want it out there? >> if everybody is innocent, there are a lot of things that should have happened like a sit-down interview between the president and mueller. however, that's not the operative theory here. the operative theory is to prevent public disclosure of what's going on here. that's why congressional hearings were behind closed doors instead of in public as we saw in watergate and in whitewater. there's a big fear i think on the part of the trump organization that mueller's going to write a report that's going to say that maybe there wasn't collusion, maybe there was collusion, but there certainly was receptivity on
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behalf of the campaign to all of these russian outreaches. they don't like that narrative one bit and they're going to try to fight it but i don't think they will be successful in the end, because i think that report is going to be made public by virtue of subpoenas from congress. >> okay. carrie, i wanted to ask you moving off of the mueller news, we were just discussing, if president trump declares this situation at the border and with the government shutdown a national emergency, if he actually does that, if it goes through the courts, what are the chances it gets totally hung up or succeeds? >> so there would be a process. the process that would take place is if he designates the national emergency, part of that designation has to include specific reference to actual statutes that would be triggered, in other words, what type of authority he'd be using. one example we read about in news reports is that he would
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use funding that is supposed to go to the department of defense in order to direct them to build the actual wall. so that then, if he files that emergency and he cites those statutes, there could be claims that are filed against that and then that would go into a litigation process. it would be a lengthy process and so the question would be then, would a judge who would receive those initial challenges to his use of that authority and his invocation of those specific statutes, would a judge issue an injunction that would then stop the activity and then we're in to many months of litigation over the scope of the national emergencies act and the specific statutes that he would try to use. >> okay. again, we're still in the if scenario. we don't know if he will do this but that seems to be politically it might be a pretty strong exit ramp for him. thank you very much. good to have both of you on. coming up next as we continue to watch president
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trump along the border there in texas, we'll talk about the battle he has waiting for him back home in washington. speaker pelosi now says she believes yesterday's meeting was staged so president trump could walk out. we'll take a look at what went on in the situation room from the candy to the chaotic ending. was this all straight out of the art of the deal" playbook? and the golden retriever er are very different. they eat, digest, and process energy differently. at royal canin, we developed over 200 precise formulas to transform every cat and dog into a magnificent animal. royal canin we're finally going on the trip i've been promising.
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to do so. the president reiterating that %-pe oval office yesterday went nowhere. >> our meeting did not last long. >> the president walked into the room and passed out candy. >> we saw a temper tantrum. >> i don't have temper tantrums. i really don't. >> he sort of slammed the table. >> i didn't smash the table. i should've. >> he just got up and said, then we have nothing to discuss and he just walked out. >> i very calmly said, if you're not going to give us strong borders, bye-bye and i left. >> not only was the president unpresidential, surprise, surprise, i think the meeting was a set up so he could walk out. >> soon after the president called that meeting a quote/unquote, total waste of time, your tax dollars hard at work, folks just as 800,000 people won't get their paychecks tomorrow. let's discuss with me now cnn political commenter mary
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katherine ham and liza collins. let me just start with you mary katherine. speaker pelosi saying this whole meeting was a set up so the president could just up and walk out. the move seems like straight out of art of the deal," trump's m.o., what do you think? >> this does look very art of the deal." i want to know what kind of candy. if it were reese's cups then the democrats are being unreasonable. >> i'm more of a twix gal. >> the issue is that there is a line that he is drawing which is the physical barrier and there has to be money for a physical barrier. i think it's actually decent negotiating which i don't always think he does to say that's my line, if indeed representative pelosi says, no, we cannot do the physical wall, we cannot do money for that, then bye, that's his line and they know it very well. >> say the president does
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declare a national emergency, eliza, to you, at the end of the day, what do speaker pelosi and leader schumer do? >> they vote to reopen the government. it kind of takes some of the heat off them, right? they can take this to the court. it gets caught up for months or years and then they can say they pushed through legislation to reopen the government and mcconnell will take that up because the whole point of contention, the wall money, is not going to be in those appropriations bills. >> let me play some sound. we've heard from jim darling. we know the president is on the border right now and this mayor has hosted a lot of politicians at the border lately. here he was. >> most republicans come down right on the river boat and do that kind of stuff and then leave and the democrats go to detention center and leave and not talk to each other when they get there about the two things they really need to talk about is immigration reform and border
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security in a compromising fashion. >> mary katherine, if they can't even agree on what the problem is, how are they supposed to find a solution? >> that's part of what's frustrating about this, is there's a lot of middle ground here actually and there's a lot of agreement on the idea of border security supported by a lot of the american people. the hang-up is this physical wall which many democrats have supported in the past. it seems like it should be easy to come to a compromise but this is the congress of the united states of america and therefore it is not which is why people are frustrated. when it comes to the national emergency thing, i do want to say, it is bad precedent even if it -- particularly because it's just saving their butts from a political problem to declare a national emergency on things where that should not be done. they should be able to come to an agreement. it was bad precedent when obama did it on things like daca. it's bad precedent now and will just lead to worse disagreements in the future. >> what if he doesn't declare
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this national emergency, if you look at the democrats, instead of stonewalling, wouldn't it be in their best interest to take advantage of some of the sweet things the republicans are offering, daca, pathway to citizenship, why wouldn't they do that? >> i just got out of a huddle with vice president mike pence, he came over to capitol hill and talked to press over here and he actually shot down the idea of giving an offer for daca in order to get border security. he said that the president believes that that needs to work it's way through the courts and then after that comes through the courts, they believe it'll be ruled unconstitutional. at that point they're willing to make a deal but that takes something off the table so democrats, that's a big issue for democrats. they have not said they're willing to do that but they've kind of like shown an openness for it and mike pence just took that off the table this afternoon. >> i was just talking to gloria, if he goes the national emergency route, the republicans can win, if it gets caught up in
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court then the democrats can win because they can say we didn't give him money for the wall. last question, m.k., don jr., he wrote on instagram after his father's speech a couple days ago, quote, you know why you can enjoy a day at the zoo because walls work. seriously? is he comparing -- is he comparing folks on the other side of the border to zoo animals? >> it's as if they are congenitally required to talk about things in the worst possible way. it's just -- there are plenty of ways you can make an argument for physical barriers. i don't always agree with all of them. none of them have to include a discussion of zoo animals. >> eliza, mary katherine, thank you so much very much. right now as we've been mentioning, president trump taking his fight for this wall to the u.s./mexico border. will he declare a national emergency? and the coast guard is getting
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i'm brianna kielar live from washington and come tomorrow, federal workers are about to miss their first paycheck over the shutdown but the coast guard has a few tips for workers that need money. have a garage sale. sell unwanted items through newspaper or online. offer to watch children, walk pets or house sit. turn your hobby into income. tutor students or become a mystery shopper is one. rosa flores joining me from u.s. coast guard station in miami beach. that is a list that has since been taken down, rosa. >> reporter: you know, brianna, there's so much fear and also frustration especially because
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of that tip sheet because, think about it, when you think of the brave men and women of the u.s. coast guard, these men and women do dangerous, drug and migrant in the high seas, and then that tip sheet says have a garage sale or walk a dog. what are these men and women supposed to do on the high seas? anchor the ship and walk a dog? the u.s. coast guard is not making coast guard members available to speak to the media but some spouses are being outspoken. take a listen. >> and even if the shutdown doesn't have a resolution inside any time soon, if they could please task something that would at least fund the coast guard, if one of the people in charge could at least recognize, hey, this is a part of our military that's not getting paid and they depend on these checks, i would be very appreciative of that.
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>> a lot of families what they're having to do is calling their credit card companies, they're mortgage companies, they're creditors and letting them know of their situation. the u.s. coast guard even providing a letter that they can provide to their credders explaining that this is out of their control and also thanking creditors for their compassion. here in miami, this sector, 106 civil employees are furloughed out of 230 and, brianna, i'm told here by leadership that all of those essential missions that i mentioned drug interdictions, migrant interdictions in the high seas, those are still happening, but they do say and they do tell me that the longer that this shutdown takes, the more difficult it's going to be for the u.s. coast guard to be mission ready. brianna? >> and president trump visited a coast guard station in florida back on thanksgiving day. any of the family members there
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have a message for the commander-in-chief? >> reporter: you know, a lot of these families are just so appreciative to the u.s. coast guard and to serve this country, most of them don't want to get into the politics, brianna, some of the families that i've talked to have said, you know what? we just like serving our country and they don't want to get into the politics. all they ask for is for congress and the president to do their jobs and to fund the u.s. coast guard, brianna? >> all right. thank you so much, rosa flores. there are protests erupting around the nation because federal workers soon are not going to be paid. i want to bring in cnn's scott mclean. you are in utah, scott. tell us what's happening there. >> reporter: we're a long way from washington, d.c. but there are a lot of folks here in ogden, utah, that are talking about the politics of this shutdown. there's a rally here that just wrapped up with maybe 100 or so
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who are members of the union of irs workers here. there are some 5,000 plus federal workers in this town alone, it's only about 90,000 people so it makes up a pretty good chunk of the workforce. a lot of them work in this building right here. it's one of the big federal office buildings. some of them are working without pay. many others are furloughed. when i walked around talking to people in this crowd, they are frustrated because they're worried the fact that they're not getting their next paycheck on friday about how they're going to pay the bills, how they'll pay their mortgage and car payments. we were at the food bank earlier today and they say there's about 50 people per day showing up who are furloughed federal workers who are showing up to get groceries because they simply can't afford to buy them themselves. these are people who typically donate to the food bank and now all of a sudden, they're there themselves. there's also a wider impact being felt in town. this is the main street here in ogden. it's a historic area with a lot of bars, restaurants and
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businesses, things like that. a lot of those owners tell us that they are taking a cut because they're not having these thousands of federal workers in every day to have lunch or to shop or anything like that so they're feeling the consequences as well. when you ask people here who they blame, at this rally in particular, there's been a lot of people saying this is on the president, they need to figure this out. keep the wall separate from this shutdown. there are reasonable solutions to border security. they may include a wall, don't use us as pawns. even people who voted for president trump, many of them say, look, i am all for the wall. you should absolutely build it, just don't use me. what surprised me most is this is utah. this is a heavily republican area and i've actually met people who live up to what president trump said, that people are willing to sacrifice for his wall. some people say, look, i'm going to be okay. things will be tight. i think that the president should hold out for the wall. i had another person, a waitress who's indirectly affected, her
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tips are down by two-thirds. she said the same thing. i might be suffering, but, look, i want to see this thing get resolved and so the bottom line is, whatever your politics, everyone seems to be united in thinking that this needs to end soon one way or another. >> just depends maybe who they're blaming there. scott mclean in utah. thank you so much. we do have more on breaking news. cnn is learning that robert mueller's team has questioned a trump campaign pollster. what this means for the larger investigation? and fallout continues from that docuseries, "surviving r. kelly," millions of you watched it and now celebrities are working to distance themselves and r. kelly himself, still defiant. stay with us. for a nasty cold, take new dayquil severe with vicks vapocool. [a capella] whoa!
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back to our breaking news now. cnn has exclusively learned that robert mueller's team has questioned this man here. trump campaign pollster tony fabrizio and cnn journalists observed fabrizio leaving the special counsel's office in february of last year and have sinced confirm he was indeed meeting with mueller's team. this is news that comes as we are learning that trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort shared internal campaign data with a suspected russian operative intended for two ukrainian oligarchs. we have shimon prokupecz here with us now. what do we know about this meeting with mueller, shimon? >> it's certainly interesting and intriguing in light of what we learned this week from the attorneys for paul manafort in releasing information that really wasn't supposed to be public about the fact that paul manafort was sharing internal polling data with this russian,
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this russian operative, this intelligence official. so obviously this meeting between tony fabrizio who was a pollster who worked on the campaign and also is a long time associate of paul manafort, he did work for him in the ukraine, what we do know for certain, what we're told by a source that mueller -- the mueller team did ask him questions about his work in ukraine. we don't know what other questions were asked of him but it's certainly intriguing and interesting that given what we've learned this week that this guy, tony fabrizio would go before the special counsel and then mueller would ask him all sorts of questions. >> certainly is, shimon. thank you for that update. we appreciate it. coming up, treasury secretary steve mnuchin facing lawmakers today over why the trump administration eased sanctions on allies of vladimir putin and the "national enquirer" is calling it the largest investigation in its history. this is a scoop on the end of jeff bezos's 25 year marriage,
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another big star is speaking out against singer r. kelly amid explosive claims in which he's accused of being a sexual predator who abused multiple young women. lady gaga has apologized for working with the star and she's pulled all of her music that features r. kelly from streaming platforms. kelly and gaga made a duet that was called, do what you want with my body and they even performed it here on "saturday night live" together but in a statement, lady gaga posted on
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twitter, she explains this in part, what i am hearing about the allegations against r. kelly is absolutely horrifying and indefensible. as a victim of sexual assault myself, i made both the song and video in a dark time in my life. i intend to remove this song off of itunes and other streaming platforms and will not be working with him again. rolling stone reports that at least two dallas radio stations have banned his music from their air waves. r. kelly was spotted last night with a message for a crowd. ♪ ♪ there is something that i must confess ♪ ♪ you all [ bleep ] this is my [ bleep ] birthday ♪
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>> while kelly was in that club, there were several protesters rallying outside his chicago studios chanting mute r. kelly. we have the anchor for people tv. lola, as you watch all of this, do you think this is the beginning of the end for r. kelly? >> brianna, you and i were talking off-camera, i was here 17 years ago on cnn talking about a story that i'd written for the cover of vibe magazine. it was a 6,000 word expose. i do finally feel like justice will prevail like this time of around. it's taken a number of years, well over a decade but justice will finally prevail. >> so this is something -- it's been on your radar for the better part of two decades. you have artists saying i am not going to be associated with this
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guy. there were things that were known. what has changed? >> i think the world at large has changed. the me too movement has been very instrumental in helping people redefine the way they look at relationships between men and women. men and men, inappropriate relationships in general. i think people are willing to have a conversation that they weren't willing to have as early as a year ago. the me too movement has been extremely instrumental in helping us have a very important conversation that had been ignored and swept under the rug for the better part of two decades. i want to talk about lady gaga. interestingly enough, lady gaga's apology went a long way but she had a glaring omission in that apology. there was a video that was supposed to accompany this song and it was a video that was shot by famed fashion photographer terry richardson. she had also been accused for more than a decade of being a sexual predator. he was accused of preying upon young girls.
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vogue" banned him from shooting in his magazine. she worked with not one, but two sexual pret torz on this project. it was problematic then. she knew it. i find it interesting that now she's coming forward with her apology. >> what did you think on r. kelly on just how defiant he has been, that he shows up at this club and he is singing his heart out with some support there, obviously? >> r. kelly is doing what he's always done. r. kelly in the past has always been able to get away with this behavior because he was always able to produce a hit and sing away his problems. he's at the tail end of his career. people had been muting r. kelly for years. he's no longer at the height of his career and i do think people are now saying, i don't care what music he creates, i don't care if he's a musical genius, he has a serious problem with young women and it has to stop. >> lola, thank you so much. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you.
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i'm brianna kielar live in washington and tomorrow, 800,000 federal workers won't get paid. many are protesting today and many have warned that because they live paycheck to paycheck, they will not be able to pay rent, they will not be able to pay their bills. they will not be able to buy groceries. there are others in public housing facing evictions and countless contractors and business owners who's livelihoods depend on federal work and on workers. they're not going to get back any of the money that they have lost in this shutdown. on top of this, airport security at risk. food inspections at risk. america's credit rating at risk. fbi agents warning that this puts the u.s. at risk. farmers already hurt by tariffs that have come apart of that trade will, not getting government support. federal courts closed. national parks